The Most Influential Man – excerpt from 7th Response

In any case, your lack of appreciation for Hezekiah’s career and your exaggeration of Jesus’ career needs to be put in perspective.

Assyria was the most powerful nation of the time. It was the scourge of the land. In one night the world’s greatest superpower became a banana republic. Their entire army dies in one night and the city it threatened with annihilation is saved. On the same day, the sun goes back in the sky and turns afternoon into morning. How does this compare to the healing of a few lepers and some questionable sightings of a crucified man?

“Oh, but that was in the world of objective reality – I was talking about the influence that Jesus had on the subjective minds of men” – you say.

Yes; I recognize that Jesus was the most influential man on earth, but is that something to be proud of? The Crusades, the Inquisition and the holocaust were only the apex of years of oppression and pain – is that the influence that you are pointing to? And what Jesus did to the Jews was nothing compared to what he did to the Gentiles. The Jews were physically oppressed in his name – but the Gentiles had darkness poured into their souls. The Jews suffered the holocaust – the followers of Jesus perpetrated it.

“But that was not the “real” Jesus” – you protest. The “real” Jesus loves the Jewish people.

For argument’s sake – I’ll buy your story (- just don’t try it in a court of law – the jury will never accept the argument: “that wasn’t the real me”.) So we have two incarnations of Jesus; the “fake” Jesus and the “real” Jesus. Which one of these two was more influential? For many dark centuries, no-one ever heard of the “real” Jesus. The blood-soaked pages of history should tell you that it was the fake Jesus who was far more influential than his brother.

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11 Responses to The Most Influential Man – excerpt from 7th Response

  1. CP says:

    Sigh……

    I feel these kind of posts are in direct opposition to Tanach’s instructions; ‘for lack of wood a fire goes out’. Why may I ask is hate still being stirred up? Why may I ask is blame is placed on someone not responsible?

    The one responsible is the Beast; the hybrid of human government and manipulation of religious doctrine. What is scary is history repeats it self and Israel is setting herself up for a imposter messiah, but I digress.

    Yeshua at the very least from a record of his own words is a Jewish Rabbi and Prophet who taught Torah correctly. If you want to start casting blame for what Gentiles did with a Jewish message then why aren’t you looking at Shaul/Paul?

  2. I have a question, Rabbi and my brothers and sisters. First, In the Judaidm, how is the status of the דבר the Word (spoken or written) of God in the relation to the being of God? inferior? superior? same? the word is one of the creatures?
    Second, in Judaism, the word of God is impossible to be incarnated into human?

    • Gean Guk Jeon Obviously – God is the source of the word and the word is not the source of God – so I don’t see your first question. As for your second question – why would you think of that? Who cares and what does it mean? where does the Jewish Bible encourage us to ask such questions or think in this direction?

      1000 Verses – a project of Judaism Resources wrote: >

      • CP says:

        R’B,
        Don’t you refer to the Law in The Council of Nations as a “living entity”?
        How is this different than what Gean is asking?

        • CP david speaks of the commandments as the men of his council (Psalm 119:24) – did David believe in a physical incarnation of the commandments? 1000 Verses – a project of Judaism Resources wrote: >

          • CP says:

            R’B,
            No, David did not view the commandments as physical incarnations. But the Word of the LORD did come to him through prophets. The Word of the Lord came to us through Moses. Why can’t the Word of the LORD come to us through Yeshua?

            It seems to me one needs a theological bias based on the misappropriation of a Jewish message by Gentiles to deny Yeshua brought the Word of God.

          • CP That wasn’t Gean’s question

            1000 Verses – a project of Judaism Resources wrote: >

      • CP says:

        R’B,
        Yes, I agree, Gean is a Trinitarian. However I think the question is still valid coming from a Unitarian.

      • “God is the source of the word”… Amen. Thank you. Also i want to know the meaning of “Azazel(?)” in Leviticus 16:8. Why the scapegoat was sent to the wilderness?

    • Sharbano says:

      Hebrew etymology doesn’t support your case.

      • bible819 says:

        1st Book of God?

        Initially, God is a Spirit hovering over the water.

        Then- He comes down from Heaven and takes some of the Spirit on Moses and shares it with the elders.

        Then the Word of God came to the prophets.

        All we know about God is that he can have his Spirit on earth, but still be in Heaven, and the Word of God is to be followed.

        The most influential Man-

        Was led by the Spirit, The Father (came down) , and the Word became a living being.

        Yeshua is God’s Salvation!

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