Eternal Freedom

Eternal Freedom

 

Passover is the time when we sit around the table with our families to thank God for redeeming us from slavery and making us free. We give praise for the gift that He bestowed upon us by making us His bride; a nation unto God.

 

In a certain sense it was easy for that first generation of Jews in Egypt. They looked back at the dark days of slavery under Pharaoh and they looked forward to days flooded with light as servants of God. But for us; who have the perspective of history, it is perhaps more difficult. Looking back at our blood-soaked past what kind of freedom do we see? Is it freedom to be locked into ghettoes? Being the chosen nation cost us dearly. We were consistently denied our civil liberties, robbed of our possessions and often enough it cost us our lives. What are we thanking for?

 

In order to answer this question we need a different perspective on freedom, a different perspective on our status as a chosen nation and a different perspective on life. And it is by absorbing the lesson of the Passover lamb that we can acquire this new perspective.

 

The offering of an animal as a sacrifice to God embodies a deep and powerful lesson. The body of the animal is utterly destroyed. It is consumed by the worshipers who eat its meat and by the fires of the altar. What remains from the lamb is the relationship with God that is renewed through the offering.

 

The lesson is this. Anything and everything that we share with the animal is ephemeral and transient. We are more than happy to give up the animal side of ourselves for the sake of coming closer to God. We are not interested in a freedom that an animal can appreciate. The freedom that we yearn for and the freedom that we were eternally granted by God is the freedom to be people, the freedom to live the ideals of justice charity and holiness and these can never be taken away from us.

 

The tragedy that the Jewish people suffered in the holocaust was unimaginable. But the freedom that they were granted when God took them out of Egypt spared them from a far greater tragedy. As God’s chosen people we were spared the tragedy of becoming animals. The beastly spirit which brought people to murder little children did not overtake us. The darkness that induced people to be saturated with hatred did not blacken our souls. When those around us were enslaved to the animalistic side of nature we remained free to serve God with our humanity.

 

It is for this freedom that we thank.

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28 Responses to Eternal Freedom

  1. Yehuda says:

    Rabbi Blumenthal,

    Chag Kasher V’sameach to you and your family. And Chazak V’Ematz in your Avodas Hakodesh.

  2. naaria says:

    There is “the God of Israel” and then there are “other gods” or the “gods of the nations”. To “eat a god” is a belief of some of the religions of the “other gods” and is part of what is called paganism. But to the God of Israel (God of the Jews), “drinking blood” or “eating flesh” of a god is not only absurd (and an impossibility), but its “practice”, or belief by pagans, is an abomination. To eat a human is a major part of some pagan religions, but to the God of Israel it is a sign of a curse. It is cannibalism, primitive heathenism, and it is an evil and an abomination. To the Jews, it is better to be killed than to be “nazi killers for their lord”; better to be “eaten” than to be the “nazi cannibals” who did the “eating” of their “sacrifices”.

    To the Egyptians, the Hebrew (Jew) sheepherders were disgusting, “sub-human atheists”. Egypt made a god of sheep; the “lamb of god” was one of their gods. To worship “the lamb” was paganism & idolatry to the God of Israel. For the slave Hebrews to “eat a pagan god of Egypt”, was an “act of blasphemy”, it was an act of “destroying” a god of Egypt. It is OK to eat the freshly cooked meat of an ordinary animal, for tomorrow the “god” will be food for dogs and then later only rottening flesh for worms & vultures. It was the “last straw” for the Pharoah. The “killing of an Egyptian god”, the “lamb of god” (who could not save anyone, especially not those who “believed on it”) was what freed the Hebrews (Jews). Not all the Hebrews found it that easy to give up the pagan ways of Egypt, as we see in the “wilderness” and in the molding of a gold calf (would have been just as abominable if it were a lamb or a man) to replace their “man-god” Moses, who (not God, according to these back-sliders) “took them out of Egypt”.

    So, worshipping or believing in Jesus, a man-god of the nations, would be a return by Jews to Egypt and to slavery. It is a return to idol worship and to primitive paganism. So, what the analogy of “eating Jesus” really means and tells us, is that Jews must destroy (reject) Jesus in order to be freed from him & his followers & from pagan Egypt, so that the Jews can continue to go forward to the Promised Land with their God, the God of Israel (the un-eaten & the un-eatable God) . One was not (nor is not) directly “saved by the blood”, since the discarded blood was only used as a sign. It was & is a sign that Jews reject the traditions of Man about “the lamb”, a god created by Man, and that they will sign a covenant to devote their hearts, minds, and souls to the Creator God, the ONE God, Who will soon meet them at Sinai and the One Who still is, the God of Israel. The Daughters and Sons of God must look to their Father (Our Father in Heaven) and not to any image of anything on earth, whether the idol is a lamb or a calf or a son or another man accepted as a god by those who do not really know the real God.

    • David says:

      You’ve misunderstood everything I wrote.

        • naaria says:

          And exactly when and what, did I misunderstand? There is a difference between misunderstanding something and providing more insight about that “something”.

          • David says:

            Read the above post and don’t play the idiot.

          • naaria says:

            David: I don’t see your earliest post, before 23 March. But I do have a copy of it. My question still is, “how did I “misunderstand”? There is a difference between misunderstanding (largely internal & which involves you making assumptions) and disagreeing with written statements. Some of your later statements, such as “Israel did more evil than the nations had done” is simply unhistorical. The heresy of many Israelites does help to explain why Jesus (an Israelite) appears so often as a pagan or used so many pagan metaphors. It does explain why the pagan Tyre & Sidon would more easily except his message. His message did spread through that part of Israel that often turned away from YH-WH toward the Ba-als and toward Hellenism.

            The NT admits there were followers of Yeshua-Jesus who were heretics and some believers believed Jesus “did not come in the flesh”. Some gospels admit that several 1000’s (including some who were not Jews?) who, despite what the “Jews” or “leaders” said, came to see him and came to hear him speak, but then most rejected his teachings. He was even concerned his teachings were so un-Jewish & pagan, that even his closest disciples might desert him. “Drinking his blood” and “eating his flesh” is understood by most people as metaphoric, symbolic, or poetic. And Jesus said “this IS my flesh”, and “this IS my blood” in a non-metaphorical and non-symbolic way. No matter how one looks at it, it promotes anti-Torah and “spiritual sickness”. One does not have to symbolically “eat” God, who after all is “un-eatable”.

            Jesus “came not to bring peace” thereby rebelling against the Jewish prophets of God (including John) that came before him (& that he himself depended upon). “Elijah” (John “the baptist”) came to bring families together, but Jesus is quoted as rejecting that. Jesus’s teachings of violence and division have done more to promote the division & violence between and among different groups of followers of Jesus, than any other factor. So instead of trying to blame the Israel of 500+ years before Jesus for Jesus’s failures , blame it on the “Israel that was Jesus”, who the NT has modeled more on pagan beliefs and writings than of the Hebrew Bible.

          • naaria says:

            Blood & flesh is equated with bread & wine, but no one need think symbolically of blood or flesh to “remember” God who never was and is not either flesh & blood. Those symbols focus us on the worldly, the humanistic, and not the spiritual or the Godly.

          • David says:

            You have shown yourself to use biased antichristian selective reasoning.

            So according to you if you are being honest and consistent, the physical act of circumcision focuses you attention on that part of the human physical anatomy, the male penis. Do you relate consecration such as that of Exodus 19 to just the outward physical as well? When Mosses in Exodus 24:6 “took half of the blood and put it in basins, and half of the blood he dashed against the altar. 7Then he took the book of the convenient, and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.” 8Mosses took the blood and dashed it on the people, and said, “See the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

            So then according to you in your Hebrew bible, if you want to be consistent in your reasoning, covenants of blood such as that described above in Exodus 24 focus your attention on the physical blood, in this case the blood covering the people.

            So now I’m faced with the decision to believe the incredible that you are so stupid or just that you are playing the idiot.

          • naaria says:

            David (on 25 Mar, 1:23 p.m.). Watch the mouth. “But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.” “Let your word be ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no.’ More than this is from the evil one.” The laws of the NT can be more of a burden, harder to follow than the OT. Your approach to me has to be a little different, because I was born & raised and educated as a Christian. All my family are Christian. I served as usher in Church yesterday, so maybe some other mean-spirited words, like heretic (?), might be more appropriate. I selectively use Christian verses in order to counter other selectively used Christian verses. Are you aware that the book of Hebrews makes Melchizedek a valid member of the “Godhead”, while Jesus was only designated as high priest in his, Melchizedek’s, order? So are there 4 members in the Trinity Godhead? Some of my arguments might seem absurd at first, but less so than those that many Christians make, but which they might not be aware of unless they read & try to understand what is in the NT beside what they may have been told. Exodus 24:6 is a quite common verse used by Christians, who often fail to understand what it says.

            And I assume that my Hebrew bible is part of your bible as well (perhaps the versions I most often use are more accurately translated?). So there are sacrifices & covenants in the OT? Not much of a surprise to me. The covenant in Exodus 24 was a record and it was read and it was agreed to. How many signed up to newer covenants without being read the details? Was the blood from a man or a god or from bulls? Did the Hebrews drink the blood of animals, either physically, ritually, or symbolically. It was a sign of a covenant. Just as the blood of many lambs was clearly stated as a sign of which house for God to “pass over”. That blood was not drunk, as in some pagan rituals. The blood did not represent a god, or a “lamb of god”, or salvation or God. The flesh is not stated as “mixing” with the flesh of Man, no more than any other food, including lamb or mutton eaten 1 week or 1 day earlier. And to be consistent with metaphors, the true Passover lamb was eaten up and whatever was left over was destroyed by burning, not burying.

            It is close to Passover, how will you celebrate it? With whose rituals, if any?

          • naaria says:

            Should the focus be on the “blood-ink”, the seal, that was used to sign-up and “agree to the words in the agreement” or should it be on “doing the words” in the agreement?

          • David says:

            So does sarcasm and hypocrisy “watch the mouth” come easily for you? What’s wrong, can’t you make your point on the merits? And what’s with the reference to Christian upbringing? Do you think that gives you standing to apply your selective anti-Christian biased reasoning; apply one set of standards to the OT Hebrew bible and another to the NT?

            Since you like sarcasm: It’s Passover, how will YOU celebrate it? Where will YOUR rituals focus YOUR attention? Oh, but your enlightened, only Christians are simple minded enough to think of only the physical, is that it? Enjoy the yeast of the hypocritical Pharisees, it apparently comes naturally for you.

          • naaria says:

            David: Sarcasm, foul language, and personal insults came very quick for you, so according to you, you couldn’t “make your point on the merits”? I brought up my Christian upbringing to show that I am not & could not be anti-Christian, that I don’t believe Christians are simple-minded, and I definitely don’t believe we think only “of the physical”, quite the opposite, since there is so much reliance on the “other-worldly”, on metaphor, and on the selective reading of the OT (usually out of context or often based on poor translations), As an early church father, Origen, stated in his commentary on John, “Scripture contains many contradictions, and many statements which are not literally true, but must be read spiritually and mystically …”. But, when you wrote, “or even Christians (if you can define what that is)”, were you implying Christians are a “what” and not a “who” or more likely, that Christians also “hand out the stuff” that the Pharisees “did”? Since there are several books (e.g., by Maccoby, by Falk, etc) & articles (by some Christian scholars and on some “Torah observant messianic” websites) that try to show that Jesus was a Pharisee. And some Pharisees were important “followers of Jesus” (according to the NT). In fact, Paul also wrote “I AM a Pharisee” in the continuing present tense, meaning that he remained a Pharisee while he was an apostle and not that he had once been a Pharisee but “then converted”. So, perhaps you are suggesting that Christianity is based on the “teachings of hypocrites”? See, your criticism of Pharisees can also apply to Jesus. I doubt if you ever read some objective studies on who Pharisees were, so your opinion on them is understandably biased.

            You wrote “try reading for yourself and coming to your own conclusions”, but it appears that you will call someone a “hypocrite” if they come to a different conclusion from yours. Jesus said believers are “to live on EVERY word that proceeds from the mouth of God,” not only the words carefully selected and sanitized for Sunday sermons and sound bites. So, you might not admit to “selective biased reasoning”, but when I select certain verses of the NT, you object and call it “biased”, since it seems not to fit well with your own select set of verses. Christians believe many different things based on the NT texts or various Christian writings. Some rejected ALL of the Hebrew or Jewish Bible. Some apply one set of standards to the OT/Hebrew bible and another to the NT. There are many comparisons by Christian preachers and theologians that attempt to show the “vast superiority” of the NT over the “OT”. It is also true, that the early Christian Church was a chaos of contending beliefs, with some groups claiming that there was not one God but two or twelve or thirty. And others believed that the world had not been created by God (the good God) but by a lesser, ignorant deity. To them there was the good God (Jesus), the bad God (the devil) and, eventually, the “just” God (the God of Israel). Certain Christian sects maintained that Jesus was human but NOT divine, while others said that he was divine but NOT human. Some of those sects are still present today (or have been “resurrected”) and some of their teachings or writings were incorporated into the NT text that we have today. Realizing these truths or this history is not “biased reasoning” or “anti-Christian” or “hypocrisy.” It could be biased reasoning (a fear of truth?) to reject it.

            Of course, there are some who see no reason for ever accepting any Christian text or Christian beliefs. The Tanach they have is complete & it came first. That is not “hypocrisy”, but it could be if they also accept certain Christian beliefs. Nor is it really “biased reasoning” if NT texts just happen not to be consistent with most of the Tanach and contrary to much of the teaching of Judaism. And, most often it is not being “anti-Christian”, whereas accepting certain Christian beliefs can be anti-Jewish and is “anti-Judaism.”

          • peterusa123 says:

            naaria commented
            ,” that Christians also “hand out the stuff” that the Pharisees “did”? Since there are several books (e.g., by Maccoby, by Falk, etc) & articles (by some Christian scholars and on some “Torah observant messianic” websites) that try to show that Jesus was a Pharisee. And some Pharisees were important “followers of Jesus” (according to the NT). In fact, Paul also wrote “I AM a Pharisee” in the continuing present tense, meaning that he remained a Pharisee while he was an apostle and not that he had once been a Pharisee but “then converted””.
            My comment
            Any one can claim anything they want I have muslims coming in my pal talk room claiming they are Jews and saying they know Judaism is no good. How did this paul guy know it was his god or messiah that came to him if he had never seen this person.? In fact how do all these people who claim that their god came to them and spoke to them know it was their god and not satan that came to them. I even have a few christians in my pal talk room who claim that their god came to them and spoke to them and they swear by this. I ask them how do they know it wasn’t satan they say he looked like their god so it must be true.

            There is no such thing as “Torah observant messianic” websites”

            It is a shame that some Jews and even fake Rabbis who still believe some of these lies.

            http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html

            It is rather unfortunate that many well-meaning Jewish Studies teachers have unwittingly aided missionaries by teaching Jewish pupils incorrect information about the origins of Christianity. I can recall being taught the following story about Jesus at the Jewish day school I attended:

            “Jesus was a famous first century rabbi whose Hebrew name was Rabbi Yehoshua. His father was a carpenter named Joseph and his mother’s name was Mary. Mary became pregnant before she married Joseph. Jesus was born in a stable in Bethlehem during a Roman census. Jesus grew up in Nazareth and became a learned rabbi. He traveled all over Israel preaching that people should love one another. Some people thought that he was the Messiah and he did not deny this, which made the other rabbis very angry. He caused so much controversy that the Roman governor Pontius Pilate had him crucified. He was buried in a tomb and later his body was found to be missing since it had probably been stolen by his disciples.”

          • naaria says:

            Peterusa123, I don’t disagree with you. I know there is no such thing as a “Torah observant messianic” website, that is what other “messianic believers” (preaching “grace” not “legalism”) call other “messianic believers” that they disagree with (almost at “war” with; e.g., see “messianic-literary.com”, “seek god.ca”, etc.). That is why I often put it in quotes. I am only relaying what some Christian scholars and others believe or wrote about the “phariseeness of Jesus”. I don’t believe or agree with what they wrote. My point was that, if some posters think “Pharisees” were “bad” and were “hypocrites”, than based on what some people & “Jesus believers” believe & tried to prove, then both Jesus & Paul “were fairly typical Pharisees”, and then therefore, Jesus or “Yeshua” and Paul were just as bad and just as hypocritical as their “enemies”. I don’t believe either Jesus or Paul were Pharisees, nor even Jews, In fact, no one has shown us any evidence that either one ever even existed, outside of Christian writings. And the authors of those Christian writings, are often inconsistent in their portrayal of either. Christian writers can totally disagree with other Christian writers on who Jesus and Paul were and what they taught (see the “bet emet ministries” websites on how often, almost always, Paul contradicts “Yeshua” or Jesus). If Christians, long before the scapegoat Constantine existed, couldn’t agree on who Jesus was & what he taught, then who, if any, should we believe? I agree more with the writings of some folks like Gerald Sigal (e.g., “The Resurrection Fantasy: Reinventing Jesus” or “Anti-Judaism in the New Testament”) or ex-Baptist Pastor & Scholar Robert Price, or David Fitzgerald (Nailed: Ten Christian Myths…).

          • Paul summers says:

            Hello.
            I would like to hear more on what you have to say on the order of Melchizedec.
            X

          • naaria says:

            It is not an Biblical order of priests. In the OT, the man and king, Melchizedek (meaning something like “rightful king”), might only be mentioned once. In the NT, he is only mentioned in the book of Hebrews. So he was not important to Jesus or Paul or early Christians. Since according to the unknown author of Hebrews, he had no mother or father, no beginning or end (at least the Bible doesn’t explicitly tell us when or where he was born or that he died), he must have been immortal and an “eternal” being (but then many other people in the Bible would also be eternal beings). This would place him in the godhead above Jesus, because Jesus had a beginning in time (although before Genesis 1) and Jesus was born and he died, or else the NT writers lied.

  3. peterusa123 says:

    yourphariseefriend says
    “As God’s chosen people we were spared the tragedy of becoming animals. The beastly spirit which brought people to murder little children did not overtake us. The darkness that induced people to be saturated with hatred did not blacken our souls. When those around us were enslaved to the animalistic side of nature we remained free to serve God with our humanity.”

    My response
    Perhaps the Rabbi can answer a question I get from both the christians and moslems. In the Hebrew Bible G-D commands the Jews to kill woman and children. So they ask how can Jews accuse them of what Jews themselves did.
    Deuteronomy Chapter 20:16 Howbeit of the cities of these peoples, that the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth, 17 but thou shalt utterly destroy them: the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; 18 that they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods, and so ye sin against the LORD your God.
    THANK YOU
    Peterusa

    • David says:

      So then after God’s chosen people put to the sword men women and children they went on to commit the same abominable acts of paganism, child sacrifice etcetera for which they perpetrated genocide on the inhabitants of the land. So then after God’s chosen people put to the sword men women and children they went on to commit the same abominable acts of paganism, child sacrifice etcetera for which they perpetrated genocide on the inhabitants of the land. I don’t think that’s what God had in mind. At some point did they not lose their standing as God’s people?

      • peterusa123 says:

        David commented “So then after God’s chosen people put to the sword men women and children they went on to commit the same abominable acts of paganism, child sacrifice etcetera for which they perpetrated genocide on the inhabitants of the land. So then after God’s chosen people put to the sword men women and children they went on to commit the same abominable acts of paganism, child sacrifice etcetera for which they perpetrated genocide on the inhabitants of the land. I don’t think that’s what God had in mind. At some point did they not lose their standing as God’s people?”

        My response
        I dont know what you are talking about can you show me where the chosen people commited child sacrifice.?
        I can show you the christians committed deity sacrifice. They exalt their dead god by placing his dead image on a cross and hang it in all their choiches.
        Im not so well versed in the Jewish Bible can you show me where they lost their standing as “God’s people”?
        These verses say differently than what the choiche teachs.
        If you notice these verses say in 4:30 thou wilt return and in 30:2 it says you will return to the Lord, your God it does not say if you will return. So this is a sure thing. It seems you did not understand the question.

        Leviticus Chapter 26:44 And yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break My covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God. 45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.

        Deuteronomy Chapter 4:30 In thy distress, when all these things are come upon thee, in the end of days, thou wilt return to the LORD thy God, and hearken unto His voice; 31 for the LORD thy God is a merciful God; He will not fail thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which He swore unto them
        Deuteronomy Chapter 30:1 And it will be, when all these things come upon you the blessing and the curse which I have set before you that you will consider in your heart, among all the nations where the Lord your God has banished you, 2 and you will return to the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul, and you will listen to His voice according to all that I am commanding you this day you and your children, 3 then, the Lord, your God, will bring back your exiles, and He will have mercy upon you. He will once again gather you from all the nations, where the Lord, your God, had dispersed you.

        While I have your attention can you or any participant in the christian view answer me this question. I always ridicule the christians saying that their god died and their response always is that their god cannot die. So of course I claim their own books say that their god died. Oh they say the flesh died not their god. My question is if their god did not die how can they claim that their god came down to die for their sins. If it is only the flesh that died so any animal or any man can do the same thing.

        • David says:

          Sorry to inform you of this, but God’s people returned to that of which they came from, paganism.

          Read your bible.

          Start with Joshua 24: 2, 15 and read about the pagan origins.
          Judges 2; 6: 10; How so quickly and repeatedly they abandoned the LORD, prostituting themselves and worshiped Baal and the Astartes, the gods of the Amorites.

          Have you ever read 2nd Kings 17 and 21? What does making your children pass through the fire mean to you? (21: 9) Israel did more evil than the nations had done that the LORD destroyed before the people of Israel. So then what’s the point I ask you.

          So let’s get this straight, Israel is worse than the nations the LORD drove out for them!
          Ever read Ezekiel 16?

          The bible is full of this stuff.

          • peterusa123 says:

            Part one.
            David says: “Sorry to inform you of this, but God’s people returned to that of which they came from, paganism.
            Read your bible. Start with Joshua 24: 2, 15 and read about the pagan origins.”
            My response here are the verses
            Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people: ‘Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel: Your fathers dwelt of old time beyond the River, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nahor; and they served other gods.
            Was the dead god of the christians included in the pagan fathers of Abraham since it says in their books before Abraham I was.?
            Here it says Abrahm left the pagan gods and followed the true creator.
            Joshua 24:3 And I took your father Abraham from beyond the River, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac. 4 And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau; and I gave unto Esau mount Seir, to possess it; and Jacob and his children went down into Egypt.
            Joshua 24:23 Now therefore put away the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD, the God of Israel.
            In the verse above it does not say they worshiped these false gods maybe they took them for the gold value.
            Joshua 24:24 And the people said unto Joshua: ‘The LORD our God will we serve, and unto His voice will we hearken.’
            In the verse below it confirms this and says that they did not commit idol worship. So again the christians misinterpret and only read what they want.

            31 And Israel served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, and had known all the work of the LORD, that He had wrought for Israel.
            David says:
            .”Judges 2; 6: 10; How so quickly and repeatedly they abandoned the LORD, prostituting themselves and worshiped Baal and the Astartes, the gods of the Amorites.Have you ever read 2nd Kings 17 and 21? What does making your children pass through the fire mean to you? (21: 9) Israel did more evil than the nations had done that the LORD destroyed before the people of Israel. So then what’s the point I ask you. So let’s get this straight, Israel is worse than the nations the LORD drove out for them! Ever read Ezekiel 16?The bible is full of this stuff.”
            My response
            Obviously you have not read the whole Jewish Bible the people were kicked out not only for idol worship but for all these verses Leviticus Chapter 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the customs of the nation, which I am casting out before you; for they did all these things, and therefore I abhorred them
            Leviticus Chapter 20:9 For whatsoever man there be that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 And the man that lieth with his father’s wife–he hath uncovered his father’s nakedness–both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12 And if a man lie with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have wrought corruption; their blood shall be upon them. 13 And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14 And if a man take with his wife also her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. 15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death; and ye shall slay the beast. 16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness: it is a shameful thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of the children of their people: he hath uncovered his sister’s nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity. 18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness–he hath made naked her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood–both of them shall be cut off from among their people. 19 And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother’s sister, nor of thy father’s sister; for he hath made naked his near kin; they shall bear their iniquity. 20 And if a man shall lie with his uncle’s wife–he hath uncovered his uncle’s nakedness–they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 And if a man shall take his brother’s wife, it is impurity: he hath uncovered his brother’s nakedness; they shall be childless.22 Ye shall therefore keep all My statutes, and all Mine ordinances, and do them, that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, vomit you not out. 23 And ye shall not walk in the customs of the nation, which I am casting out before you; for they did all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. 24 But I have said unto you: ‘Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land flowing with milk and honey.’ I am the LORD your God, who have set you apart from the peoples.
            To be continued

          • peterusa123 says:

            Part two response to David
            Now worshiper of a god that died lets see if what you say is true.
            Joshua Chapter 7:1 But the children of Israel committed a trespass concerning the devoted thing; for Achan, the son of Carmi, the son of Zabdi, the son of Zerah, of the tribe of Judah, took of the devoted thing; and the anger of the LORD was kindled against the children of Israel.
            1 Kings Chapter 18:22 And Elijah spoke to the people, “I have remained a prophet to the Lord by myself, and the prophets of the Baal are four hundred and fifty men.
            Here we see in the case of Joshua only one person commited a sin yet it says all the children of Israel commited a trespass in Kings it says only 450 worshiped idols. By this time there were millions of Jews it was about four hundred years later than Joshua. So in all cases its only a tiny minority.
            Isn’t it hilarious that what you claim the Jews did still they were able to produce true prophets of which the christian cult qoutes so much from. How many true prophets was the cult of christianity able to produce. Lets see what Ken Humphrey has to say.
            1000 Years of Carnage & Barbarity in the name of Christ by Kenneth Humphreys.
            http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm
            10th Century Obscenities
            Vile Princes of the Papacy
            “Popes maimed & were maimed, killed & were killed… Without question, these pontiffs constitute the most despicable body of leaders, clerical or lay, in history. They were, frankly, barbarians. Ancient Rome had nothing to rival them in rottenness.”
            – Peter de Rosa (Vicars of Christ, p48)
            “Let those who have hitherto been robbers now become soldiers.”
            – Urban II addresses his gangsters.
            1486 Taking a break from book-burning, two Dominican monks, Henrich Kramer & James Sprenger, write a best-seller – Malleus Maleficarum (‘The Witches Hammer’) – ‘the most blood thirsty book ever written.’ (Peter de Rosa, Vicars of Christ, p184)
            1553 John Calvin, the “Protestant Pope” of Geneva proves his Christian credentials by having Michael Servetus, the Spanish physician, burned at the stake for heresy. Servetus had opposed Trinitarianism and infant baptism

            “To the Jews I became as a Jew, to win the Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law-though not being myself under the law-that I might win those under the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel…” Paul, 1 Corinthians 9:20-23
            “Hermas, an early church father, wrote: ‘O Lord, I never spoke a true word in my life, I have always affirmed a lie as truth to all men, and no man contradicted me; instead, they all gave credit to my works.’ Visions of Hermas, vol. 2, c.3.”
            Augustine of Hippo, the greatest figure in Christian antiquity, wrote: ‘It is lawful, then, to him that discusses, disputes and preaches of things eternal, or to him that narrates of things temporal pertaining to religion or piety, to conceal at fitting times whatever seems fit to be concealed.’ Augustine, On Lying, c. 19″
            It seems the only leaders the christian cult was able to produce were “the most despicable body of leaders, clerical or lay, in history.” Oh and not one prophet was this cult able to produce after their god died. What than can we say of the followers of this cult if its leaders were like that.
            To be continued

          • peterusa123 says:

            Part three response to david
            Now lets see the idol worshiping christians till today. Here you have from a christian web site.
            Are Orthodox Christians Christian?
            http://www.born-again-christian.info/questions/answers.59.htm
            We know that Roman Catholics are full of idolatry, and will die in their sins, but I have heard very little commentary anywhere on the Orthodox cQhurch. Are they in the same situation? Michael
            A Yes utterly doomed, ‘Orthodox Christianity’ (an eerily Orwellian designation) is just another production from Satan’s religious theatre, masquerading as Christianity. They include the Eastern, Greek, and Russian Orthodox ‘churches’.
            Eastern Orthodox ‘Christians’ are idolaters who slobber over, and worship, images, (they call it ‘venerating icons’) and like Catholics, blasphemously claim their ‘Divine liturgy’ converts the ‘Eucharist’ biscuit into the actual Body of Christ, and the wine into the true Blood of Christ.
            How many Roman Catholics are there in the world?
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21443313
            There are an estimated 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the world, according to Vatican figures.

            How many Eastern Orthodox christians are there in the world?
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Church
            The Eastern Orthodox Church, officially called the Orthodox Catholic Church[note 1] and commonly referred to as the Orthodox Church,[7] is the second largest Christian Church in the world,[8] with an estimated 225–300 million adherents,[9] primarily in Eastern and Southeastern Europe and the Middle East
            Lets count them up 1.2 billion and 250 million is about 1.5 billion idol worshiping christians today.
            How many christians are there in the world?
            http://christianity.about.com/od/denominations/p/christiantoday.htm
            Christianity is ranked the largest religion in the world today. According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, in 2010 there were 2.18 billion Christians around the world, nearly a third of the global population
            With these figures we see more than half of the christians are idol worshipers admitted to by their own christians.
            Now let us see idol worshiping Jews today of course the cult of christianity would not call them idol worshipers however since Jews do we will invistigate them
            http://www.mjaa.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5142&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=1022
            Messianic Jews are Jews who accept the Messiahip of Yeshua (Jesus) of Nazareth, and believe in His act of atoning sacrifice for the sins of our Jewish nation and all mankind. The Messianic Jewish Alliance of America (MJAA) represents the interests of approximately 100,000 Messianic Jews in the United States. The MJAA is also affiliated with 15 other national Messianic Alliances through an International Messianic Alliance which represents the interests of up to 350,000 Messianic Jews world-wide (figures as estimated by the Jewish telegraph Agency 4/14/89).
            How ever we see here it is all a lie.
            http://jewishvoiceandopinion.com/a/JVO20090205.html
            Attracting Non-Jews
            Instead something totally unexpected has happened. These “Messianic synagogues” have fired the imagination of countless thousands of non-Jews. Although the founding fathers of “Messianic Judaism” clearly intended the movement to be only a slick evangelical tool to reach Jews and convert them to Christianity, these fledgling “Jewish” congregations have been inundated by perhaps hundreds of thousands of non-Jews who are eager to join them.
            Spiritual pilgrims, these non-Jews want to emulate what they see as the more authentic Jewish traditions in worship and lifestyle, but, at the same time, retain their belief in Jesus as their own personal messiah and savior.
            According to Reverend Stan Telchin, a Jews-for-Jesus activist, non-Jews make up about 80 percent of those who attend Messianic synagogues
            Even with the endless hype and the investment of hundreds of millions of dollars by various Christian bodies over the years, these “Messianics” have succeeded in converting only a fraction of a fraction of the vast number of Jews whom they confidently expected to reach by means of their newly minted ersatz synagogues.
            So there you have it all these pagans in the land of cannon before the Israelites and the christians today a majority of them were and are idol worshipers and practice the highest forms of immorality. Where as the Jews it was and is now only a very small small minority who does this. Now you can see why the true creator picked the children of Israel and not you pagan christians. As for the immorality part look at my previous posts where I posted links for that.
            THANK YOU

        • David says:

          Instead of just swallowing the BS handed to you by Pharisees who think they know something, or even Christians (if you can define what that is), try reading for yourself and coming to your own conclusions.

          Even your Hebrew bible is full of examples of things being from heaven, or sent from God. Does that mean they physically or in any other way necessarily had to travel from God in heaven and arrive to earth? Or does it usually mean something else? What does a gift from God mean?

          Likewise don’t just swallow the crap about a god being eaten. If someone is sitting and eating a piece of bread of the day and drinking fruit of the vine of the day is his body and blood on the plate and in the cup or in his body and blood in the usual place? Is it so hard to understand or do you just not want to understand. The words Do this in remembrance of me means what to you?

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